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This is what people had to say between October & December 2002. Fewer visitors writing in but many with lots to say.


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17 Dec Anu Sittingbourne, Kent Considering a move to Whitstable/Herne Bay area and think your site is an excellent labour of love. You're very upfront about being biased, so objectivity doesn't matter. You offer a great spread of information, a nice balance of information and photos and it was well worth registering the domain. Will be sending plenty more people to your site.

Thanks very much, Anu. It's always good to hear that the effort is appreciated.

16 Dec Geoff Holden Perth, Australia Dear Steve, we have inadvertently had some feedback to the posting of the photo of the 'Unlikely Lads' on your site. It may not have rung a bell with Audrey though, when she wrote asking if anyone remembered the '711' Club in the basement of the Railway Hotel, Station Road.
A few of the lads in the photo were in fact the founders of it. Colin Shillcock, Mike Phillips, Jim Stewart and myself were very much involved in forming a Jazz Club for Herne Bay teenagers. We were able to get the premises as Jim's father was the Licensee of the 'Railway Hotel', as it was then. We started off with records to dance to and in fact named the club after a popular jazz record which I still have. We managed to talk some of the Wylie Price Band, which performed through the summer at the Kings Hall and the Bandstand to come along for a couple of free 'Worthingtons' and play at the 'club'.
We also got some fellows from 'The Buffs' Dance Band, Pete Coppins on trumpet and Tony Coe on clarinet. Pete came to live in Oz, and Tony made a real name for himself playing for many years with the Humphrey Lyttelton Band. One of our other great delights was getting Eric Greengrass, the great vibraphone player, to come to our club at a time when he was fronting the Ted Heath Band at the London Palladium's "Sunday Swing" sessions. We also arranged coaches to go to the 'Coronation Ballroom' at Ramsgate to listen and dance to the great names of the times both British and, on the few occasions that the Musicians Union allowed American bands into the country. Finally I remember both Audrey and her younger sister Irene from those great days of the 'Fifties. Where did all those years go?
Re pub names; are we looking for the original name of the 'Bun Penny' and also for the pub that Peter Smoothie ran on the corner of Station Road and High Street for many years? If so I have a great friend in Broomfield who will soon put us right, as he is an expert on pubs and always directs you across the length and breadth of Britain by giving you pub names, not road numbers. Hooroo, Geoff

Hi Geoff. Tell me, is there anything in Herne Bay's recent history that you haven't been involved with? I'm glad that you got some feedback on the picture, although I assume the identity of "Back row, second from left" remains a mystery....
Thanks for all that on the 711 Club. A Humphrey Lyttelton connection, too, huh? Well, "Humph" still has his band and even now tours extensively, has a regular Monday night jazz show on BBC Radio 2 (formerly the Light Programme, for those of you who've been away from our shores for oh, 30 or more years) and is the chairman of Radio 4's "I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue", a delightfully silly panel game. Being the Philistine that I am, Jazz has never appealled particularly to me, I'm afraid. You should bear in mind that "my" era was the late 70's, which generally meant Glam, Heavy Metal or Punk rock. When I went to see local bands, they would ostensibly be rock or folk-rock hybrids, playing at the Harbour Lights, now the Hotel Continental in Beach Walk, Whitstable. Other than that, it would be Margate Winter Gardens, Folkestone's Leas Cliff Hall or up to London for the bigger bands. I have mellowed somewhat since then and even allow the occasional Rhythm & Blues into my collection. Not much, though.....

10 Dec Audrey Moore (Neé McIver)

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Victoria, Australia G'Day Steve,
I strolled up (your) Station Rd the other day and it brought back memories. Do you remember the '711 club' in the 'Grand Hotel' which you now tell us is an 'upmarket apartment block'? I am going back to the 50's now. My sister Irene and her friends were regulars there, where they danced the night away. Further along I recognised other landmarks with my memory doing backflips until I came to the corner of Station Rd and High St. When did they change the name of the Pub on the first corner on the right? The name you mentioned rang no bells.
My husbnand and I spent the first 6 months of married life in the top flat of (I think) no. 21 High St. just a couple of doors up from the Newsagents, which was on the opposite corner to the Pub (walking toward the sea). St Annes home was where we used to get a good dinner during the war, for a very small charge.
I remember well the St Dunstans Kiosk just to the right of the Pier entrance in a little corner facing the Bandstand. The gentleman who ran it had a lovely guide dog and I was just a little miffed as he would not let us play with it (I could not understand why, then).
I won many a talent contest at the Bandstand as a child and like many others, I sang. I remember sitting on the ice flows (not for long though) when the sea froze. Only for a dare though, it was damned cold but you could not ignore a dare. They were large enough to take our weight but not easy to get on to. Considering the temperature the water was not as cold as we expected.

Here I go again, rambling on when I only intended to send a short message to anyone who wants it saying "The compliments of the season, and may Santa be good to you". Regards to you Steve

Wow. No, that was wonderful to read, Audrey. Thanks very much. Ramble away. I have to admit to being a little young to remember the 711 Club or the Four Fathoms being anything other that that. Not a sprog, you understand (40 at the time of writing) but by the time I was frequenting the Bay's attractions, we were into the 80's.

7 Dec Geoff Holden Perth, Australia Dear Steve, I thought I would like to wish you and all the contributors to your website a very happy Christmas and a safe and healthy New Year. At the same time I am including a photo of a group of Herne Bay 'Lads' circa 1952-3. I am wondering if the photo, plus names, will ring any bells with your viewers. I apologise if the picture is not too good as I have had to 'doctor' the damage of 50 years with Corel Photo Paint's assistance. The group, were ones that frequented 'Macs' the rink and the Kings Hall, these being virtually the only places for teenagers, in those far off days. The names that I can remember are as follows :
Back row (L-R): 1 Mick Mayhew, 2 unknown, 3 Peter Garrity, 4 Mike Phillips, 5 Bert Adlee.
Front Row: 1 Michael Firrell, 2 Colin Shillcock, 3 Geoff Holden, 4 John Nolan, 5 John Ells.
Colin Shillcock passed away shortly after this photo was taken and I met Bert Adlee in Macs when I was in the UK in the 1980's and Mick Mayhew on another visit in 1998. I recently discovered that Michael Firrell lives in Surrey but that is far as it goes. Where are you "Unlikely Lads" or for that matter any of the Herne Bay class of the 50's, 60's & 70's?
Hooroo, Geoff Holden.

click here to see the photo

Hi, Geoff. Thanks for the wishes. And there's nothing wrong with the photo at all. It's seemed to have scrubbed up very well. Anyone who would like a better view can click on the picture to see a full sized version, which will open up in a new window

22 Nov Jean Taylor St. Louis, Missouri, USA This is great. I was raised in Herne Bay but haven't been back since 1970. However, I recognize most of the pics. Keep up the good work - I'll be looking in.

Thanks, Jean. The site doesn't get updated as often as I would like but I have a few more photos to add now. I hope they'll be going up in the next few days.

20 Nov Audrey Moore

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Frankston Nth, Victoria, Australia Hello again Steve. My maiden name was McIver, hence Mum's nickname of Mac. In the 40s we lived in The Bay in Kings Rd. On a visit in '87 I saw the tower block (That will be Elizabeth Court, then) in place of the houses I knew so well. We also lived in Richmond St, William St and Grand Drive (not necessarily in that order). We walked from Grand Drive to Kings Rd Academy via Fleetwood Ave, Station Rd, the Park past the Bakery on the corner of Gordon Rd/Stanley Rd (pausing to get a hot bread roll) then to school. What a hike. Children 'need' to be driven from 2 streets away these days (well here in Oz anyway).
We were healthy then, even on our bread and dripping, stews, big Sunday roasts, egg bacon and fried bread breakfasts, with the odd sausage or two and the fried tomato or two, etc. etc. Oh well, no more of that these days. Dietitions would have a fit.
Catch up again soon.

You know what, Audrey? I just love getting this sort of feedback. I know we all have a tendency for "rose tinted memories" but hey, they're OURS to remember as we will. Seeing major changes is always a little disturbing but I know none of us can do anything about it. I read an article in a book from 1897 which described Herne Bay as quite long but very shallow, maybe only 100 yards in total, so all properties are close to the sea. How times change.....
No, it's not only Down Under where it seem 'de rigeur' to drive your children the 100 yards from house to school. It's a major cause for concern across the country these days. The school run creates unparallelled havoc for half hour every weekday morning and afternoon. A number of local schools are looking to follow Briary school's lead by setting up "walking busses", so the children get to walk but in safety, with volunteer parents.
As far as breakfast is concerned, wherever possible, mine will often consist of egg and bacon in a muffin. I think it's important that the world gets to know what I eat. It helps to "humanise" the site. Or not.....

19 Nov Geoff Holden Perth, Australia Steve, recent messages to your website talking of things concerning the Herne Bay of yesteryear caused me to investigate some old photo albums. I found pictures of people at dances at the Kings Hall, and a photo of a group of us lads at Bob Scrivens photo studio in Telford Street, circa 1953. I wondered if we could get some interest going on where some of these Herne Bayites might be now if you were to put such a photo on your site?
I also found pictures of the massive flood that hit the coast in 1952 but I guess you can't show these as they are in a Kent Messenger book. It is a pity, as to see the damage that was done both to Herne Bay and Whitstable is quite amazing.
I lived near 'The Ship' at that time and the whole of East Hill shook as the giant waves hit the sea wall. The light fitting in my bedroom was actually swinging in time with the waves.
In digging out the past, I found some of my collection of old newspapers and in a replica newspaper of 'The Times' of 1862 they were advertising steerage passage from the Port of London to the Swan River Colony for five pounds. If only QUANTAS could match this!

Hi Geoff. Always good to hear from you. If you are prepared to share the photo, I am more than happy to post it. Certainly, it would be intriguing to know "where they are now".
As far as the floods of 1953 and 1962 are concerned, I too looked up a book in Herne Bay library recently which was full of such images. It sparked off interest in that side of the area's history, along with the freezing of the sea (was that 1952?). So, I have contacted the KM to see whether it would be prepared to let me post some images. It's likely that there will be a copyright issue but I will see what the response is. In the meantime, I will start work on a specific page anyway, although pictures are going to be needed, really. Anyone got anything they are prepared to share? I will ensure the source is acknoledged and all images will be copy-protected.

18 Nov Stan Dilnot East York, Canada I am just visiting for the first time. Got your address from Simply Whitstable. Am now going to browse. Talk to you soon.

Hello, Stan. Browse away. Good to see that I can poach some of Dave's (Taylor) visitors, too. For those of you not in the know, Stan is probably one of the most prolific contributors to Dave's website guestbook.
Just as an aside, Stan; do you have any connection to the Dilnot bakery in Whitstable High Street?

14 Nov Audrey Moore

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Frankston Nth, Victoria, Australia We were meandering through your photos and saw the 'Macaris' photo and we're puzzled??? How did they get the billiard table upstairs?
Mum used to live up there in the 60s and 70s and she worked in the change booth, in the arcade a few doors past the old Casino. We remember holidays there and our children would view the Carnival Parade from the windows overlooking William street. Mum, who was known as 'Mac' to all who knew her was married to Stan Harris (my stepdad) who parked his Cortina in the car park of the 'Bun Penny' which was a Pub then but the name eludes me. I lived in 'the bay' from the early 40s (a refugee from the Luftwaffer in Liverpool) until just after I married. Mum passed away in Dec. 1986 here in Australia, where she was just as popular. Regards Audrey Moore from OZ

Hi, Audrey. As far as the billiard table is concerned - good question. I'll ask for you later.
I must say that I don't recall the Bun Penny being called anything else but perhaps someone could enlighten us?
So, you would have had the sort of view of the Carnival that I always envied as a kid. Mum and dad would give us each a handful of coppers to throw onto the floats but I always wanted to keep them myself. I knew that those on the balconies were generally out of reach even for the participants with the long-handled money nets.....

13 Nov Kathy Lawson New Zealand I always enjoy surfing into new sites, and found yours enjoyable because you had done what you thought was right and not got side tracked by others. So many are the same but somehow yours appeared fresh. Keep up the good work.

Gosh, thanks, Kathy. I am flattered. It's a simple thing but my own.....

23 Oct Anne Dyer

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Derbyshire I was very interested in your web site of Herne Bay. I actually lived in Beltinge many years ago at 164 Reculver Rd, Beltinge, Herne Bay. I have many memories of celebrating the Queens Silver Jubilee there. We lived opposite a pub called "The Miramar" and they had a big party there. I also remember there was a street opposite our house which led to a steep hill with the sea at the bottom of it. It was there we used to go and collect sharks teeth.
I can remember a really bad storm which knocked the pier down. Would this have been around 1977?
I found your site really interesting as I have not returned to Herne Bay since my family left around 1978 when I was about 10 years old. If you do have any photos of Reculver Road or the pub, or even the Herne Bay sailing club I would so appreciate it if you could mail them to me. I look forward to hearing from anyone who can help. THANK YOU, Anne Dyer

Hello, Anne. Thanks for those memories. The "Miramar" is still there, although it is no longer an hotel but an old people's home. It is also about twice the size that you would remember. I'll sort you out a photo, though.
Sharks teeth can still be found on the beach, particularly at the Bishopstone Glen end. We used to take the girls there quite a lot when they were toddlers and would almost guarantee coming back with a number of said dental souvenirs.
The pier actually lost her final battle to Mother Nature on 12 January 1978. although there were a few near misses before that, I believe. You'll see the photo in the Herne Bay section, under "Photos (1)".

23 Oct Angie Malyon Herne Bay Hi Steve. Just found your website on Herne Bay. What a great idea! I love the sunset photos and all the local info you give. I will be adding your website to my list of favourites! Well done.
Angie M
P.S. I live in Herne Bay & you have done it proud!

Why, thank you, Angie. I consider myself humbled. In truth, it's always gratifying to get positve feedback from local residents. I hope that I can give a positive reflection on the area without making it unduly biased, despite my opening comments on the home page. However, if anyone thinks that I have treated someone or something incorrectly, please let me know. I'm not in this to upset anyone.

16 Oct Emma

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Greenock, South Australia Please does anyone have any infomation on Herne Bay railway station for a school history project I am doing? Many thanks.

Well, Emma, other than the poor photo I have on the Herne Bay Station Road "Street Life" page, I can offer no information on the station's history, although I will take a look in the library among others and see if there is anything I can locate. In the meantime, if anyone does have any information to pass on to Emma, please use the link under her name.

10 Oct Robert Welstead

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Greenock, South Australia Well done Steve. I am a little older than you and my memory of Whitstable is fading, however I have found your pics very interesting. I used to live near the old Tollgate and would catch the bus to Canterbury for school from across the road. I have found your site very interesting. Keep it up, please.

Thanks Robert. So, you would have got the bus at the same place as my old (Langtonian) mates Barry and Calvin. Well, both the Tollgate and the bus shelter are still there but the area has changed considerably in the last few years. I recall the Tollgate being a tiny grocery shop, where I would buy sweets from on my way home from Whitstable Boys School (now Whitstable Junior School). Whoever owns it today must be highly tolerant, what with all those railings around it and the constant traffic. At the time of writing, the Canterbury Road end of the High Street is being resurfaced and the traffic queue extends from the railway bridge at Belmont Road right back to Borstal Hill. Who'd want to live here just now? Still, it should soon be sorted......

7 Oct Claudia Cox Auckland, NZ Hi Steve. Just found your website and was interested in Bishopstone Glen. What happened to the fairy glen that was there in the sixties??? As I now live in New Zealand I would love to know what's happening around my old haunts. Thanks for a great site.

Hello, Claudia. Thanks for visiting. The Fairy Glen, at the end of Glenbervie Drive, is still there but much of it is a housing estate now. There is still a path linking Glenbervie and Gainsborough Drives that leads to the fields on the cliffs where the coastguard hut used to be. That, too is now gone, demolished because it was getting too close to the edge, due to the rapid local erosion.
Those of a particularly adventurous nature can still walk along Bishopstone Glen, although, again, Mother Nature has dealt a hefty blow via subsidence in the area. Not that local kids seem to care too much. Much of the coastline around this neck of the woods has slipped into the sea. During the 70's & 80's, the council spent a fortune on sea defences and land underpinning. Most seems to be under some sort of control but it only takes a prolonged heavy downpour for the collapsing to start again. Many is the time we've walked along the promenade east of Beltinge, only to find it cordoned off and covered in piles of clay, following another slip. It would be safe to assume that this is something Man is never going to win. Nature will beat him every time.

6 Oct Kirk   Dear sir, with reference to the Red Spider Café being built. If it were, would we also have to put up with even more left over food being thrown onto the beach as is done from Mr Green's fish restaurant? I have been coming to Whitstable now for 25 years with my wife and three children and over the years have seen many bucketloads of leftover food being dumped on the beach, even while people were swimming. This must be a health hazard and looks terrible. COMMENTS PLEASE. Many thanks.

Well, Kirk, I am unable to comment on the "dumping of leftover food into the sea", I'm afraid. You might want to bring it up with either the restaurant or the council next time you're down, though.
I do, however, agree with your sentiments but I think the problem is often not so much with restaurants or amenities but with those people who think that the idea of clearing up is somehow beneath them. At the risk of sounding unduly holier-than-thou, I consider any kind of littering to be abhorrent. I have always either taken my rubbish home or used a bin. Some members of modern society, however, seem to feel differently. The idea of simply chucking rubbish on the ground or throwing it out of a car window (another particularly anti-social habit) just would never occur to me.
Anybody with any more interest in the topic of the Red Spider should look up Dave Taylor's
Simply Whitstable site, where there appears to be quite a lively debate on the subject.

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